said we're going to have an economist on today on how you get -- you know, we're going to talk to him. he says the one thing that would hurt the economy is in cuts in social security or medicare or medicaid. any type of reform to those things. >> to the true liberal -- >> other than raising taxes up to the level where you fund the promises that we've already made. the entitlements that we've already made and the guarantees we've made, they just want to raise taxes on somebody. i don't know who, to the point where we never actually reform medicare, medicaid or social security. >> the question i want to ask him, is there ever a time that he's making, is it now given where we are in the economy? >> well, the question is, you put in a hundred and you take out 400 in medicare and the government covers 300. >> and it makes no sense. >> well, no, but there are people that think that the government's roll is to provide that 300. and so we should raise taxes to the point where you -- it doesn't matter that you -- >> right. >> it doesn't matter. that is the redistribution. >> that's the agal te